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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08 @ 1:55 am    Post subject: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

"Intel's Visual Computing Group (VCG) gave an interesting overview of the discrete graphics plans this week. There seems to be a few interesting developments down the pipeline that could prove quite a challenge to NVIDIA and AMD in 2 years time.

Their first flagship product for games and graphics intensive applications is likely to happen in late 2008-09 timeframe and the GPU is based on multi-core architecture. We heard there could be as many as 16 graphics cores packed into a single die."
-- http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4605
confirmed here:
"Larrabee project "
"Look out, NVIDIA and AMD/ATI, here we come!"
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37889


This should quell any rumors to an nVidia / Intel partnership.
I for one welcome this entry - as HOPEFULLY it'll kill nVidia's plans for world SLI domination.
Gawd I hope Intel champions an Open SLI standard.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08 @ 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

Maybe while they are at it they can end world hunger? Stop Global warming? Cure Cancer?

Just picking on your Intel-ishness...I think it WILL be great if they can become another player in the GPU market. But to say they will be ending nvidia's rule ,after reading an [intel written] news brief, is craziness. Sad to say, they got a long way to go from "ExtremeGraphics" to something that tops a real video card Smile On the other side, if any company HAS the resources to use, to get up to speed with the market, it would be Intel. I know they arent starting from scratch, so there is a possibility something will come of it.

Time will tell. BTW, did you know Via makes plug in video cards? they are only like 4 generations behind nvidia/ATI.

Dont take it as "anti-Intel". But to me this is a VERY tough market. And I'm not believing ANY marketing hype until I see hard data...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08 @ 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

Agreed.
Intel was in the GPU market breifly with a couple of products about 4-5yrs ago.

I know the market is tough; I'm not sure if the big I can pull it off. As I've stated before; the current big 2 players are all about time to market - not time to quality. Intel has got to drop the "validate the crap" outa the silicon in favor of "ship it and fix it in drivers". It would be a tough sell.

However, the way the current GPU designs are going - I can see where there may be a better opprotunity since GPUs look a lot like specialized CPUs. Technology-wize it might be possible for good designs to appear.

I don't doubt for a minute that nVidia will continue to fight. But maybe just maybe it'll influence another change like what happen 4-5yrs ago.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08 @ 1:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

agreed...MFG capacity could maybe help bring prices down some more also.
I mean, I COULD see many benifits in having Intel (or ANY new player in the market) because prices are going up. I would LOVE to see a solution for open multi GPU, but this isnt a huge open market. both players already have a multi gpu solution. I doubt either will abandon their tech. for something that is open.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08 @ 10:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

I will be happy to see intel enter the market. There is not enough competition and the players only have to make enough innovation to keep ahead of each other. I remember when Intel gave it a shot awhile back. Hopefully this was a good lesson for them and they learned a lot. Intel has the cash to be able to do it, but like Zitt said I fear that they do not have the speed. Intel can make some great technology they just tend to not get it out in a very timely manner. Even if Intel's endevor fails hopefully it will push AMD and Nvidia to release some even better products.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08 @ 10:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

Lancer wrote:
I remember when Intel gave it a shot awhile back. Hopefully this was a good lesson for them and they learned a lot.


I think back then Intel set out to ensure there were AGP 1x video solutions because it took nVidia a little while to "understand" the technology. At the time PCI or was it VESA ruled the roost. Once nVidia got their Riva line working on AGP and proved "superior" capabilities - someone decided to pull the plug.

This time it feels different... both the G80 and AMD's latest are starting to look more like CPUs than traditional GPUs.... with them pulling in "physics" processing... I think the thought might be that "hey; we know CPUs - we can do this now".

But who knows what really goes on in the lofty minds of VPs and such.

Could be good... could be just another pipedream ... who knows.

I really don't see Intel writing drivers for the AMD platform... or at least; not optimizing (on purpose) for it.
So I'm sure it won't be good for everyone.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08 @ 11:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

If Intel wants to seriously compete they will write the drivers, along with making sure they work just as good on that platform as it does their own. The industry will tear them apart if they don't. That will be one of the first tests reviewers put them through. If Intel takes the anti-competitive stance in that area they will be shut down quick. I almost wish Intel would create a seperate company to make the cards but allow them access to Intel proc architecture and fabs and say here is the ball, run with it. But I don't see that ever happening.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09 @ 12:52 am    Post subject: Re: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

Lancer wrote:
If Intel wants to seriously compete they will write the drivers, along with making sure they work just as good on that platform as it does their own. The industry will tear them apart if they don't.


True.
I'm kinda curious to see what the new AMD Cards will do on both platforms.
I don't really see AMD optimizing drivers for a Intel platform either.
I don't think either company will deleberatly put anti-performance hacks in... but I don't see them bustin' nuts to get the perfect on opposing platforms.

Kinda like I don't see nVidia spending resources to ensure it works perfectly at top performance on ATI chipsets or vesia-versa.

Splitting off companies is likely not going to happen; just like AMD didn't make ATI a wholey owned subsidary. I don't know how that would work using Intel fab equipment anyway. Gotta be a business nightmare. Would lead to ineffienceis in product development and such.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24 @ 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

Any of your Graphics Architects by day?

http://www.intel.com/jobs/careers/visualcomputing/index.htm
We're developing advanced products for high-end client platforms and our GPU silicon designs have us aggressively positioned to advance the state of the art in graphics and other high-throughput workloads

We’re looking for engineers, developers, and architects who share our vision and understand what can happen when serious skills and vast resources join forces.

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PostPosted: Fri May 25 @ 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

Right, 1 cores on a single GPU, much like standard DVD's were theoretically capable of 80gb a disc. Theory it works, in reality they will be no far ahead than the rest.

Go intel, I hope they do some good.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07 @ 2:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

Anandtech posted some details on
Intel's Larrabee Architecture Disclosure: A Calculated First Move
which I thought was an interested read. Lots of technical discussions which I thought was fairtly well balanced.

Given it's a 2009/10 product... obviously no samples or demos are available.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25 @ 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

zittware wrote:

I know the market is tough; I'm not sure if the big I can pull it off. As I've stated before; the current big 2 players are all about time to market - not time to quality. Intel has got to drop the "validate the crap" outa the silicon in favor of "ship it and fix it in drivers". It would be a tough sell.


In a word - I predicted failure... and it was confirmed today:

"We will not bring a discrete graphics product to market, at least in the short-term. As we said in December, we missed some key product milestones. Upon further assessment, and as mentioned above, we are focused on processor graphics"
-- http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2010/05/an_update_on_our_graphics-rela.php


Today is a sad day - the GFX market will continue to churn out crap for years to come with no competition from Intel.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26 @ 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Intel Discrete GPU Roadmap Overview Reply with quote

I predicted this so much, I didnt even comment on the thread, surprising actually. FAIL, Intel!
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